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In the aftermath of Tuesday night's slash-fest NCIS epsiode, Bounce, my flist has been abuzz. What started as specific squees of delight, often degenerated into actual reasoned discussion of the episode.

I know. What is the world coming to?

A great deal of what's been said has been percolating, as things do, in my head and I think I've finally got something coherent to offer up. This is more than just this one hour of television. A lot of what's been discussed and pointed out and hashed out and rehashed has been around for, well, let's see. Since Honey West and her ocelot first strutted across the small screen? In short, we were talking about Unresolved Sexual Tension (UST), that holy grail of all television executives. Yes, indeed, UST is the holy grail... and I think American television has just about as much chance of getting it right as the bad guy had of finding the actual grail without Indy's help.

See, here's the deal.

You get a nice action/adventure or mystery show set up. It's got good characters played by attractive actors delivering snappy dialog presenting interesting plots and WOW! It's gonna be a hit! The cameras roll, the sponsors vie to pay for it and the audience is eating it up.

So it goes for a season. Or two. Or maybe three (I'm lookin' at you, SG-1) and everything's great. The quirky team, it's always a quirky team (unless it's quirky buddies) has worked out most of its differences. Strengths and weaknesses are known, growth has occurred (YAY for character growth!). The geek is slightly less geeky. The tough guy cracks the occasional smile. The tough woman in a man's world has learned to trust her male teammates to treat her with respect. The outsider has found a home.

And this is often where it all starts to crumble.

Why?

I could say because television executives spend too much time reading self-referential marketing reports and too little time actually consuming the product.

But I won't.

That would be rude.

But I will tell you something that flows out of those overly self-referential marketing reports that I'm not going to mention and that's "We need to spice things up! We need to add some pizazz! The show needs some zip!"... 99 times out of 100 what they reach for is UST. Pick one of the men and have him and the woman (after all, there's only ever one woman) start making eyes at each other, flirting over dead bodies or in the middle of firefights and watch the ratings soar.

Um. Sure. Whatever.

This is the Tried and True[tm] way to excite viewers, to get people talking, in short, to generate the all important buzz. There's only one problem.

It rarely works.

Oh, it'll likely cause a slight boost in ratings, at least at first, but it's also when a large number of loyal viewers start to grumble. In some cases those loyal viewers do something else and that's change the channel. I think I figured out why.

Let's see a show of hands around here. How many of you rarely get all excited over the Perfect Couple[tm] in your action/adventure, mystery, whatever non-romance show? Given my flist, I'd say probably a goodly number. Face it, 90% of you are probably at least part time slashers. I know some of you do enjoy some of the UST-Designated Couples and that's fine. But one of the things that came out of the recent discussions of Bounce kept making me flash on many of the problems I had with Stargate SG-1.

We had several seasons of dedicated universe and character development. Characters, and their relationships, grew as dictated by the events in the stories. For example, Sam Carter got the shock of her life when she watched Daniel Jackson blow away a tank full of infant Goa'uld in Family. For those of us who knew Daniel from the movie, it was perfectly in character. Carter had only known him for a few "episodes", so she was still learning about her teammate. That event was something she had to incorporate into her world view and it changed, subtly, how she related to him later in the series. To my mind, it was necessary for her to start to realize that Daniel wasn't just the mild-mannered civilian geek he quite often appeared to be on base. She got a boost along the Jackson learning curve in that episode.

In short, the events of the episode and the growth of the characters were tightly intertwined and interdependent in those early years. I've noticed the same thing in my latest fandom, NCIS. As long as characters are allowed to be changed by the stories the show was designed to tell, things feel good, feel right, everything's in sync and all's right with the world.

Until about the third season when, suddenly, whoever it is that makes these decisions decides it's time to New and Improve[tm] what isn't broken.

Which brings us back to UST.

In American television, that means the only woman in the action/adventure or mystery show (because, as we all know, there's generally only ever one - sometimes we get gasp TWO! I know everyone's thinking back to the "S" word I used earlier) is automatically tagged to carry half the burden of the UST (though I've yet to see her only carry half). One of the men (and it could vary, depending on the show and cast changes) gets to dance the other half of the UST tango (though with enough whiskey, they might move from tango to foxtrot - yes, I do know exactly what I said).

And here's where the problems start.

You've got this kick ass action/adventure/yadda show with its great continuity and wonderful characters played by attractive actors saying snappy dialog and suddenly, in the midst of the bleeding, broken bodies and threats of global destruction and the odd visitation from the scourge of the Dark Ages, there's suddenly supposed to be this burgeoning relationship all played out in four acts across 42 minutes, 22 times a year.

*headdesk*

Now, I know what you're thinking. "What about Farscape?", "What about Babylon 5?", "What about Scarecrow and Mrs. King?" (Hey! I liked it! Stop looking at me like that.) In each of these, the romance elements were there pretty much from the beginning. I'm not talking about those shows. I'm talking about the dreaded bait and switch. Because with the S3 UST bait and switch, we've suddenly got the characters serving two masters. They're serving the stories and they're serving the Gods of UST.

Face it. We started watching the show for all the good stuff we were offered in the beginning. We stuck with it because it worked. All the sudden there's this thing hovering over two of the characters like an albatross looking for a way to hang itself (I may not have liked The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, but I get symbolism). Instead of solving the mystery, or stopping the terrorists, or saving the blinkin' universe, the UST-Designated Couple[tm] (that's annoying, from now on, it's UST-DC) will pause and stare meaningfully into each other's eyes before, regretfully, Risking it All for the Greater Good[tm]. When the team needs to be divided up for some reason, no more will the Best Friends[tm] or Friendly Rivals[tm] be paired up, no, now the UST-DC, regardless of their individual skill sets, experience or position, will go off into danger together so as to give them more screen time to stare meaningfully into each other's eyes. With each and every instance where the Gods of UST are worshiped, little bits of the characters' credibility are sacrificed and that damned albatross gets that much heavier.

Now, lots of us here write fic. It's an obsession a hobby many of us enjoy. A way of indulging ourselves in these universes we've grown to love. And many of us are slashers. The "why slash" is a basic question for another essay (many other essays, for that matter) so I'll only speak for myself. When I watch a show like SG-1 or NCIS, I don't look for romance. I don't generally look for romance, period. In fact, fic is about the only place I do enjoy romance, with a few exceptions like the shows I mentioned above and musicals (btw, off topic, but it managed to come up in a discussion thread - "Gotta Dance" is from Singin' in the Rain - that sequence was just on - yes, I'm writing an 'anti-romance' essay while watching a musical - wanna make somethin' of it?). What happens is I'll be innocently watching a show and something about the way a couple of the characters relate to each other will click with me. It's that vaunted "chemistry" that everyone always talks about. When I see a certain type of chemistry, the slashy portion of my brain lights up like a Christmas tree and the bunnies start to breed. One of the major things that must be in place for that chemistry is character integrity. I'm not talking about moral code (nice as that is), I'm talking about the character's integrity as a character.

Every show has the odd blips and bumps and things we fans end up having to hand wave. That's fine and can actually be fun to try and find good rationalizations for why Gibbs said his dad was dead (when he wasn't) or how Apophis was able to open a wormhole in Children of the Gods (when he didn't have a DHD or, apparently, knowledge of, or access to, the SGC's computer systems).

But the Gods of UST are relentless. As the episodes slip by, there's often a slow erosion in the character's integrity. "Why is she in this scene?" "Why wasn't he the one who went back to report in?" "She's a doctor, not a bricklayer!" (Sorry, gratuitous TOS reference.) By forcing characters into situations that serve the Gods of UST, it often means the character otherwise best suited for the job in the scene isn't present. Yes, it can be wonderful to see characters forced into positions where they have to perform against type. Make the macho guy comfort someone; make the meek guy protect someone; have the technophobe have to puzzle his way through disarming a bomb with his only aid at the other end of a crackling cell phone. That is the stuff of drama and angst and all those other lovely words fans and fic writers live for. But when the technophobe is only in the scene with the bomb so he can make eyes at his UST-DC partner, it shows. Whoever made the decision, in the story, to put him there loses a bit of credibility. We can forgive one or two because humans make mistakes, but it's never just one or two. It's three or six or a dozen and slowly the cracks begin to spread. Eventually, we start to wonder why this idiot was ever put in charge because he has no freakin' clue how to allocate his personnel resources.

Then the writers break out the duct tape and our foreheads become intimately acquainted with the nearest desk.

So, now we've got these poor sacrificial characters covered in duct tape with honkin' huge, stinking, dead birds hanging around their necks and we're not really happy about it. So, being the versatile and creative types that we are, we start shopping for characters we can believe in. One of the things that's often quite interesting is that when you separate the UST-DC couple, they miraculously heal and go back to the interesting, well-integrated characters we all fell in love with. Sometimes they heal. Sometimes the damage is too dramatic. Oh, we can stick our fingers in our ears and hum while remembering them as they were, or as one of our fellow-fans managed to write them, but sometimes they become so tainted, we can't face them without remembering the stench of rotting sea bird. The sacrifice to the Gods of UST have ruined them for many of us.

So we look for characters and/or relationships that were allowed to develop without the added pressure of serving such selfish and, by this time, rather ripe, gods.

Given that we're talking about American television, there is now and may, for a long time to come, continue to be, one type of relationship able to fly completely under the radar of the ravening Gods of UST.

Enter slash.

Male characters' relationships in American television, while not completely safe, are far less likely to be compelled into servicing the Gods of UST. They may suffer due to reduced screen time due to the constant need of the UST-DC to make eyes at each other, but that's another one that's easy to hand wave. It's far easier to hand wave what isn't seen, than to hand wave what's been, frankly, shoved down our throats. *cough*Divide and Conquer*cough* (But when hand waving isn't enough, at least it frees up our fingers so we can stick them in our ears while we hum loudly.)

Let us return to the beginning of this piece. Bounce was a wonderful episode. While there were some questionable plot elements, overall, the characters were served far better than they have been in recent episodes. One thing that was completely missing from Bounce? The UST-DC (as if Tony hasn't been through enough and Ziva doesn't really seem to even like him half the time). Oh, Tony and Ziva were both in it, but there wasn't any flirting (from Tony), mooning (Ziva) or ineffectual stalking (Ziva again - you'd think someone trained by Mossad would be a better class of stalker). What we did get was Tony and Gibbs getting some long awaited screen time.

The two characters (and the actors who play them) have amazing chemistry together. Nor am I simply talking about someone wearing slash goggles. They are incredible to watch as mentor/student, even father figure/adoptive son. This is a relationship rich with shared history and all sorts of fascinating intertwining emotional threads. (Early Jack and Daniel shared the same kind of symbiotic relationship in SG-1. We not only learned to hum loudly, I think we could probably start a kazoo orchestra.) We have seen so much of this relationship played out over the seasons and last night was like a gift. Gibbs and Tony are, by far, the most complex of the main characters. We know quite a bit about Gibbs, and precious little about Tony (except that he hides well in plain sight). What we do know about him has been slipped in here and there in drips and drabs and off-hand comments and reaction shots meant for our eyes only. That some of us enjoy the challenge of transforming the relationship on the screen into something else (though no more or less meaningful), is for us to enjoy. Sort of a television Easter egg.

So, the upshot of all this is I'm happy that the Gods of UST are shippers, rather than slashers. I'd rather they go away completely and take up a more worthy cause like cleaning up that mess in the asteroid belt, but as long as we're stuck with them, at least they're not messing with our slash couples. As long as our slash couples are never burdened by the weight of that damned stinky carcass (the feathers get everywhere) they can continue to develop in the same way they started, driven by the stories, their personalities and their history rather than being shoehorned into an ill-conceived, market driven UST-DC relationship that has to be covered in duct tape and rotting bird juice to hold up at all.

Perhaps I'll start dedicating my fic to the Gods of Slash, or even the Gods of Gen. They are far more subtle and less prone to meddling. Not terribly fond of wearing carcasses, either.

ETA: many thanks to my lovely and talented flist for pointing out a few errors that crept in, including misreferencing the origin of dead stinking fowl carcasses. Corrections made.

Comments

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[info]magnavox_23 wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 11:59 am (UTC)
Feels good to get it all out, eh? :P

I've always found that a playground made from UST (whether canon or no) and/or subtext way more fun (and TPTB cat never poops in my sandbox...the monkey bars can get slippery though...)

I will definitely keep an eye out for Bounce. :D
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 02:51 pm (UTC)
That it does.

Subtext is definitely the way to go.

Just remember, there are lots of issues people have with Bounce, but *damn*!

(Abby is *so* a slasher. :-)
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[info]etrangerici wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 01:22 pm (UTC)
*Prostrates self before the righteous, eloquent genuis that is tejas.*

Yes. That. All that, exactly.
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 02:54 pm (UTC)
LOL!! Thank you. :-)
[info]secondalto wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 01:40 pm (UTC)
YES! A thousand times yes!

I wish you could have said this to the writers of SGA somewhere around season four. They tried the happy het couple thing in season three (Rodney/Katie) but that fell apart without much help. Then they try to shove Rodney/Jennifer down our throats while still having McShep UST out the wazoo (evidence The Shrine).

And it still applies to het couples. While I'm a Mulder/Scully shipper to the end, I adore the earlier UST seasons far more than the later shippy seasons. And I can see Bones heading in this direction with Booth/Brennan, I much prefer the UST.
[info]etrangerici wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 02:13 pm (UTC)
2 things:
- was that a "little mary sunshine" reference? And, if so: Yay!
And,
- YES. 'Resolving' the UST is what killed Moonlighting, lo those many years ago.
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 02:57 pm (UTC)
See, I could *easily* ignore the UST in early X-Files and was happy to do so. I was a total gen girl for XF. I didn't want any het, I didn't want any slash, the only fucking I wanted was the glorious technicolor mindfuck that only XF could give. I stopped watching, after having been a loyal viewer from the very first episode as soon as I stopped being able to ignore it.

Subtext! Subtlety! Why are these dirty words?
[info]janedavitt wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 01:55 pm (UTC)
Loved the expansion of your thought here and yes to all of it.

On a show like NCIS that has an actual Gibbs rule about not dating co-workers, you'd think we'd be safe...
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 02:59 pm (UTC)
You'd *think*! Like anyone in their right mind is going to *break* one of Gibbs' rules!
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[info]or_mabinogi wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 02:10 pm (UTC)
"I heard you were doubling last night with Bait and Switch."
"Yeeeaaahhh..."
"Yeah? And??"
"It was alright. I kinda thought I was gonna end up with Bait, but..."
"I hear ya."
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 03:00 pm (UTC)
ROTFLMAO!!!!
[info]kateri_e wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 02:14 pm (UTC)
First, please let me get his out of my system *squeesqueesquee* Scarecrow and Mrs. King!
Okay, now that that has been said ;-)
You hit on some amazing points, points that I agree with totally. The mild flirting between the female character and the flirts-with-everything-in-a-skirt guy is one thing (Morgan and Garcie on Criminal Minds) but when they have the sudden character change like they had been hit on the head one too many times- hmh maybe that's Tony's problem, that hit on the head from Franks was one concussion too many ;-)
Anywhose, I definitely agree with you an so many of your points.
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 03:19 pm (UTC)
Oh, Morgan and Garcia are *gold*. And I NEVER want to see them go there. They love each other so much, but they are NOT A COUPLE!!!! What they have now is so lovely, so wonderful. This really is a case where falling into bed would ruin the friendship.
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[info]captain_tiv wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 03:15 pm (UTC)
You keep on rambling on. This was brilliant!
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 03:20 pm (UTC)
Long rambling essay is long. And rambling. :-)

Glad you liked. :-)
[info]captain_tiv wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 03:15 pm (UTC)
Oh, and just for the record, I loved Scarecrow and Mrs. King too. :)
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 03:21 pm (UTC)
Such a fun show. Such a silly premise. I keep thinking I'd like to see it again, but then I'm afraid I'd discover it's better in my memory than in reality. :-)
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[info]green_grrl wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 03:41 pm (UTC)
Totally agreed! House has been stinking this season, too, by focusing more on the soap opera they are building between the characters (in pairings that make a good portion of the viewers vomit) rather than the medical procedurals.

Pairings aren't something that you can just tack on three or four seasons in--you need to have 99% of your audience already saying, "Oh my god, why don't they just do it already!" And even then ... Moonlighting was kind of screwed. There was so much chemistry that it was unrealistic for David and Maddie to not get together, but once they did the oomph went out of the show. Maybe it would be better if American shows were designed like British ones (and Babylon 5), with a pre-planned arc--"this is a five-year show, and the romance is (or is not) built into the arc from the beginning in this way, and all the storylines will wrap up like so." It would make for better story-telling, that's for damned sure.

Otherwise, just leave us the subtext!!!!

(why Apophis was able to walk back through an incoming wormhole (when wormholes are one way
Actually if you look closely you see the wormhole winked out in the background during the action scene. Which means the actual question is how did Apophis open a wormhole without a DHD.)
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 03:44 pm (UTC)
LOL!!! I love my flist. :-) I haven't seen CotG in probably years, so I'd forgotten that.

I shall edit. Thanks!

As to the rest, I'd really rather they just didn't do romance in action shows. Once they start trying to be all things to everyone, they end up being nothing much to anyone.
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[info]delphia2000 wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 05:35 pm (UTC)
Yes! Please forward this to the Screen Writers Guild immediately and save us from the abomination that is forced UST-DC!
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 09:58 pm (UTC)
LOL!!!! Man, I *wish* I could! Or rather, I wish they'd pay attention to it if I did. :-)
[info]stagnation13 wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 06:58 pm (UTC)
*nods*

Most excellently said.

[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 09:59 pm (UTC)
Thanks!
[info]becky_monster wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 08:17 pm (UTC)
You managed to mention 'Broadway Melody' from the most awesome Singing In The Rain (featuring the one of the most wonderful instances of fully clothed sex ever on screen!) and Babylon 5 in one post.

You are made of awesome!

Also - for the record - die hard Ivanova/Marcus shipper.
Btw - you know about Mira Furlan being in the next episode of NCIS?

She'll be the third one (or at least, that I've spotted!) B5'er to turn up. Talk about 'Sooner or later, everyone turns up at the Navy Yard'!

Seconded the fic dedication. Saves on rubber chickens!
[info]captain_tiv wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 08:35 pm (UTC)
I loved Ivanova and Marcus! Marcus was great. He had the best sense of humor.
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[info]superbadgirl wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 09:02 pm (UTC)
LOL, I got tripped up at the albatross reference with the Moby Dick parenthetical. The albatross is from, y'know, The Rime of the Ancient Mariner.

*coughs and goes back to reading*
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 10:13 pm (UTC)
DAMN! You're kidding! Shoot! I can't believe I screwed that up!
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[info]superbadgirl wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 10:49 pm (UTC)
I think some shows do just great with UST. Sure, it happens in RL (not, y'know, quite as stupidly as on the telly, but there you have it) but that does not mean it should be an automatic insert into every piece of fiction. Some shows, like SG1 and NCIS do marvelously without it, or with it being SO in-your-face. (I feel certain there are T/V shippers on your flist - they see it where I don't and that's what makes the fandom world cool.)

Personally, if TPTB aren't happy with ratings during the later tenure of a show, this should be a sign that they should think about wrapping it up and moving onto other projects. I would love for NCIS to go on for a number of additional years, frex, but, and this is important, not if the quality is compromised all for the Golden UST. I jumped ship quicker than you can say braunschweiger on The X-Files, a show I loved so damn much it's embarrassing. Same with CSI. Shit, same for SG1, which has become tainted enough for me I can barely ever write for it anymore.

But it all boils down to money. TPTB want to milk a show like it's a cash cow, until it is emaciated and sick and dying on the side of the road. And then blame the audience.
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 20th, 2009 10:55 pm (UTC)
See, that's the thing. They milk it dry for quick returns rather nurturing it for the long haul.

And yeah, I know there are all sorts of shippers around here and I bet most of them would just as soon things were left to subtext, too. I've talked to quite a few shippers who agree that the characters are rarely well-served by the forced relationships.
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[info]kaleecat wrote:
Feb. 21st, 2009 05:42 am (UTC)
I agree with so much of this rambling though thoughtful essay. It's when the tack it on, rub our noses in it (bad puppy, you know you love our couple & the shiny new character that is fresh & new & better than...but i parenthetically digress) and sacrifice character integrity *and* the other members of the ensemble on the alter of wink, nod & smarmy smiles.

They gutted Grissom's integrity with the sudden reveal of GSR while simultaneously eroding the impact & focus on Jim Brass that the previous hour 54 minutes had created. And...okay, I'm about to go off wildly so I'll stop there.

Well, we all know what it did to O'Neill and SG1 dynamics.

As for NCIS "Bounce," I can handwave a lot of the things that weren't quite as good with the ep because they did so much right (finally!) and, as you said, ignored the annoying & useless UST. I sometimes think that the ratings surge while Jenny (& col. mann & jeanne) were in the story was in some ways bad because it made the writers & PTBs think we want that stupid shit.

I wish we could find a venue the PTBs of NCIS see & post the stuff you said about the ep (minus the slash refs) & the ziva cow-eyes stalking. Maybe it would sink in somewhere.

I am looking forward to the Gibbs & Tony show in Arizona (hmmm, didn't tony say he'll never go back there) this Tuesday.
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 21st, 2009 05:56 am (UTC)
Yes he did. :-) Poor Tony.

If I thought it would do any good, I'd definitely send this to TPTB. Sadly, I don't think they care.
[info]nialla42 wrote:
Feb. 22nd, 2009 08:29 pm (UTC)
Thank you for writing this, so I don't have to. *g*

No, seriously, I've been mulling over writing something about the Dreaded Season Three Curse for a while now. I first recall realizing this back when I was watching Highlander: The Series, and I'm seeing it happen again and again.

Even though the number of the seasons and when these things happen may vary a bit show by show, it seems to run in this order: (1) establish the characters and the world(s) they inhabit, (2) expand upon the characters and the world(s) they inhabit, (3) start trying to "shake things up" with contrived UST that didn't exist previously, character deaths, new characters, new villains, etc., and finally, (4) end up with a great big bowl of WTF?

The "jump the shark" list includes "They did it, now what?" as a category, but I think the very act of adding a ship between lead characters mid-stream is a JTS qualifier. I can't think of a show in which it's ever worked for me.

That said, I do sometimes adore shows with established relationships or ones that are intended as part of the overall story arc from the beginning.

Farscape, Babylon 5 and Firefly all fit in that category for me. The romances do not spring from an attempt to jumpstart sagging ratings or from TPTB getting bored with telling creative stories and instead going down the easy path eleventy billion other writers have been down before.

I think this is one reason I'm loving Flashpoint so much. There are established couples, but those are not on the same team. The one that isn't established at first is within the team, which had me very twitching for a while, but they're doing something none of those other shows have really attempted -- showing consequences. They actually talk about how they're risking their careers, especially hers.

Flashpoint is also a show I feel no real desire to ship or slash. It's doing fine on its own. They've got a lot of hurt/comfort and "team as family" moments, and I'm loving it.
[info]tejas wrote:
Feb. 22nd, 2009 08:37 pm (UTC)
I've only seen one episode of Flashpoint (it's one of those I keep forgetting is on) but it was good. It was the one with the kid who got kicked out of military boarding school and tried to get his brother away from their abusive father.

And yeah, built-in relationships, or relationship that are allowed to grow naturally from the start (Farscape) work. It's the other ones. *sigh*
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[info]xanthelj wrote:
Mar. 5th, 2009 09:14 am (UTC)
Yes and amen to all that. Nothing ruins a show more than forced UST - if the UST is there you don't need to tinker with it. Characters will have chemistry without writing them in lame plot lines that bash all the chemistry they had completely out of the relationship and leave me yawning. I am so dreading where they'll go with Tiva. Sigh. How can the show possibly withstand a romance between those two? It makes me shudder.
[info]tejas wrote:
Mar. 5th, 2009 01:48 pm (UTC)
Something that hit me last night is that they *could* go for it and have it be an unmitigated disaster.

Now *THAT* could work. :-)
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[info]jetpack_angel wrote:
Mar. 26th, 2009 03:09 am (UTC)
AMEN!!!

I'm very, very happy that The Powers That Be don't bother with male-male relationships in any shows I watch, because I know they'd screw it up horribly.

One of my favorite shows, Stargate Atlantis, has a staggeringly diverse library of fic written about John and Rodney. I've never seen a fandom inspire so much fic as those two people have. Alternate universes, different forms, offshoots, twists and turns... it's utterly beautiful. And naturally, the show went to hell in a Jennifer Keller-shaped handbasket when her number one fan decided to turn it into a 'Marty Stu' so Rodney could get the girl. You know, I'm honestly glad that John and Rodney were never officially announced as a couple because if they were, it would've been ruined before the words were even out of the actors' lips.

My current favorite show, CSI: NY, has bounced back amazingly in just the two episodes that Lindsay has been on maternity leave. We're no longer bothered by the obnoxious teacher's pet with the stupid face and the horrible acting skills and the empathy of a rotting jackal, and Danny looks like he's regained his enthusiasm for life and for the company of his friends. And the show itself has gone from having dumb cases giving plenty of time to flaunt the ship, to interesting cases where we can remember why we started watching the show in the first place.

Amazing work you've done here. I love it!
[info]tejas wrote:
Mar. 26th, 2009 03:20 am (UTC)
Thanks. It bugs me so much.

I never did get into SGA, but I'm a Jack/Daniel gal. The amount of fic *those* two have generated is astounding. Yet, what did they give us? Sammikins and the Doe-Eyes of Death. Then, later, we got Pod!Daniel and Creepy!Sexual Harassment Suit In Waiting!Vala.

I don't watch CSI:NY consistently, but I noticed that Danny did real things tonight instead of just moping about Lindsey. I could have done with the names thing.
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